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Lay some that black gospel on us willie..
wmyette
04-11-2009, 08:49 PM
Hey Skip, you bet, give me some examples of songs or artists that you are interested in hearing.
yadielomar
05-03-2009, 08:25 AM
I agree with skip, there are places that teach gospel, but they don't explain how to re harmonize to get that feel. I don't know about skip, but I really want to learn that neo-soul/r&b style re harmonization. The other stuff that I've heard is really similar to blues and contempery gospel, also praise and shout music. The only arranger that I know his name that does this style is Jason White.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwccjYyQr3o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9gi4W0P20g
He does a version of to God be the glory, explains the chords but doesn't explain how he reharmonize it. I can learn these chords and all, but there's a lot going on to apply these concepts to other songs. BTW great lessons with funk and jazz, worth every penny!
ministermike51
05-16-2009, 06:08 AM
Hey Skip, you bet, give me some examples of songs or artists that you are interested in hearing.
The songs of Israel and New Breed are among the hottest (and MOST DIFFICULT) to play
. The songs of Kurt Carr are off the charts.
Here is a very basic, standard style that I would love to see covered:
Please, PLEASE address a couple of things on your newest jazzgospel lessons: One that is used so much are the 11th and 13th walkups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSS1bpnf_HQ
PERSONALLY there is no better learning song than "Total Praise", hear it here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s24n4J3S6kY
ministermike51
05-16-2009, 06:12 AM
I agree with skip, there are places that teach gospel, but they don't explain how to re harmonize to get that feel. I don't know about skip, but I really want to learn that neo-soul/r&b style re harmonization. The other stuff that I've heard is really similar to blues and contempery gospel, also praise and shout music. The only arranger that I know his name that does this style is Jason White.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwccjYyQr3o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9gi4W0P20g
He does a version of to God be the glory, explains the chords but doesn't explain how he reharmonize it. I can learn these chords and all, but there's a lot going on to apply these concepts to other songs. BTW great lessons with funk and jazz, worth every penny!
Absolutely!! I am a white guy and Jason White is totally off the charts!!! His style is incredible.
williemyette
06-12-2009, 01:35 AM
OK, will do!
I'll be doing new lessons very soon so thanks for the videos.
I will address this.
tonyafranklin316
06-12-2009, 04:09 PM
OK, will do!
I'll be doing new lessons very soon so thanks for the videos.
I will address this.
Willie, which video(s) do you address this? I'm definitely interested:D
williemyette
06-13-2009, 12:05 PM
OK, I have taken a look at the clips and I love them!
I will need a few weeks to digest this stuff and crank out some lessons.
I agree, I have seen a lot of GREAT playing, but not really any instruction. Seems like many players show the notes but do not explain WHY they are choosing those notes.
Let me work up a lesson and we'll get into it.
ministermike51
06-17-2009, 06:17 AM
Willie: lol, I have been playing for about as long as you have been BORN, admittedly and have heard some incredible musicians, even those trained in classical and those who were piano music majors who STILL have "trouble" duplicating the modern, black gospel stuff. It is almost as if you would need to grow up "in the church" to "get it" and it is as much about "musicianship" and "spirit" as anything else because with black gospel often times LESS is MORE. It is how it is applied and the feel to which it is applied that makes it so very incredible and the more that you listen to it the more you "get it". Although I have been around gospel music (and for a white guy, in fact BLACK gospel music) for most of my life I STILL think that "Total Praise" by Richard Smallwood is hands down the very best piano solo out there! You can just go to YouTube and do a search for "Total Praise" and hear it expertly performed and pretty much broken down by several musicians as well, but still I know that you could do a better job of explaining the basics of this amazing song. Nobody who has ever heard gospel should go through life without hearing this one, and here is one of my favorite videos of it performed by the very guy who wrote it!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv9-WlymKg0
ministermike51
06-17-2009, 08:02 AM
Hey Skip, you bet, give me some examples of songs or artists that you are interested in hearing.
Willie: You mentioned maybe teaching the super easy song written by Andrea Crouch, "Soon and Very Soon". Andrea is a Grammy Award Winner many times over and there is a reason for that. I have heard so many really bad renditions of this song that I thought you might want to hear it correctly as Andrea wrote and performs it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGiu9JfbIs&feature=related :eek:
ministermike51
06-23-2009, 06:02 PM
:rolleyes:The newest lesson, "Thank You Lord" was my request and Willie has done it masterfully and I am getting into the meat of it all and loving every minute. I especially loved the measure five "half step" motion that I had seen on YouTube by Alton Merrill and am so happy that Willie picked up on that nuance which adds such a rich, interesting flavor to this old favorite. So much of this stuff is used in so many black gospel songs that once you learn it you will see that it fits in so many other places in other songs and will take you to a whole new level of gospel sound WITHOUT losing the basic concept of the melody of the song (as is often NOT the case with the more "Urban Contemporary" gospel sound). The traditional, black gospel sound of a mixture of jazz and soul is just my favorite and this new lesson certainly gets two thumbs up from me!:D
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